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DarrenJasper · Jul 01, 2005, 01:36 AM // 01:36

The amusing thing is, this thread is very short because the one major thing we're really asking for is a simple numerical reduction to make our time investments more reasonable.

The PvE thread is 4 pages long and full of crackpot ideas which are either unviable, impractical, or belong in a different game.

Mistress Eyahl · Jul 01, 2005, 02:00 AM // 02:00

Easy, fancy dress.

A whole load of Charr battling a fleet of many-sized Gwens.

I don't find PvP very exciting, it's a bit repetitious (is that a word?

) so it'd have to be something MAD like that

Mormegil · Jul 01, 2005, 02:10 AM // 02:10

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Originally Posted by DarrenJasper

"Winning a few guild battles"? Have you ever been in GvG? It represents the pinnacle of PvP and the place the best and brightest go to duke it out... Winning even a single battle there is not a simple matter.

If that's so, my Guild ranked between 100-150 must be Uber. I thought we were just decent...

No sarcasm intended, just sincere wonder. Maybe we have different points of view.

Evan The Cursed · Jul 01, 2005, 03:12 AM // 03:12

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Originally Posted by DarrenJasper

The amusing thing is, this thread is very short because the one major thing we're really asking for is a simple numerical reduction to make our time investments more reasonable.

The PvE thread is 4 pages long and full of crackpot ideas which are either unviable, impractical, or belong in a different game.

Hehe, true.

Drakron · Jul 01, 2005, 03:17 AM // 03:17

Perhaps because PvE have a idea over improvements as all that the PvP appears to do is whine about how they cannot have every single rune, skill and piece of gear avaible from the start?

I am sorry, I forgetten that Guild Wars is the fantasy version of Counter Strike ...

chaos dragoon · Jul 01, 2005, 03:22 AM // 03:22

i think everything is good the way it is.that is just my opinion.

arredondo · Jul 01, 2005, 03:28 AM // 03:28

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Originally Posted by Drakron

Perhaps because PvE have a idea over improvements as all that the PvP appears to do is whine about how they cannot have every single rune, skill and piece of gear avaible from the start?

I am sorry, I forgetten that Guild Wars is the fantasy version of Counter Strike ...

You misunderstand because you likely think that both modes serve the same purpose in providing enjoyment to its fans. A wise man once wrote...

"PvE players love the thrill of accomplishment and the high level rewards it brings them at the end. PvP players love the thrill of victory, using the high level equipment they bring in at the beginning."

We PvP players are frustrated with a goal oriented system that slows down our ability to start with full gear. Getting gear is not our purpose in having fun, while defeating our opponents with no restrictions on skills, gear or strategies is our purpose in having fun. Force less goals to endure (we'll do that in PvE), and emphasize more pure, skillful competition. That's what we want.

DarrenJasper · Jul 01, 2005, 04:06 AM // 04:06

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Originally Posted by Drakron

Perhaps because PvE have a idea over improvements as all that the PvP appears to do is whine about how they cannot have every single rune, skill and piece of gear avaible from the start?

I am sorry, I forgetten that Guild Wars is the fantasy version of Counter Strike ...

My God. If any of you folks had an original argument, your heads would explode. This is the same exact sorry point you guys have been trying to make for months now, and it's just as invalid now as it was then.

Mormegil · Jul 01, 2005, 04:14 AM // 04:14

Nah, I posted an original comment some hours ago here, about getting easily 2000 faction points in roughly two hours and about GvG not being the pinnacle of PvP at all. I was responding to Jasper's post.

Drakron · Jul 01, 2005, 04:21 AM // 04:21

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Originally Posted by DarrenJasper

My God. If any of you folks had an original argument, your heads would explode. This is the same exact sorry point you guys have been trying to make for months now, and it's just as invalid now as it was then.

Pot, Kettle, Black.

TopGun · Jul 01, 2005, 04:26 AM // 04:26

I want to be able to spend as much time on PvP as I do on PvE and earn the same rewards, such as items, skills, and the like. Right now, I earn less with my time spent in PvP than in PvE. I want it to be equal.

Evan The Cursed · Jul 01, 2005, 04:27 AM // 04:27

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Originally Posted by Drakron

Pot, Kettle, Black.

Please respect the original poster's wishes.

Mormegil · Jul 01, 2005, 04:29 AM // 04:29

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Originally Posted by Evan The Cursed

Please respect the original poster's wishes.

He ironically replied to a post who didn't, so he's *almost* justified.

Evan The Cursed · Jul 01, 2005, 04:44 AM // 04:44

I was more talking about Weezer's request for this thread to contain the view of PvP players only. I mean I know such a request is near impossible to keep... but I believe Jasper is a PvP player, and Drakron is (guessing) a PvE player who is only trying to entice flames from Jasper.

I do not think Jasper's post, to which Drakron originally replied, was flamebait. Sure you can say that his declarations tha the requests PvE players made in the PvE thread were just his opinions, but I doubt anyone would argue against that - and I do not think any of what he said was flaming towards the PvE community. you could say his post was slightly askew - but I perceived it more as an observation on his part.

Granted, I now realize that much of this is about what "I" perceive, so I may be way off here. I assumed that Drakron was simply trying to incite a flamefest, and if my assumption was incorrect, I apologize.

DarrenJasper · Jul 01, 2005, 05:01 AM // 05:01

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Originally Posted by Drakron

Pot, Kettle, Black.

Um, no.

Evan is right - anywhere else, it would have been flamebait. Here, it should have been just, as he put it, a skewed observation. I should also point out that it was about a single thread, not a body of people. But then someone had to come in and make them all look awesome.

TopGun · Jul 01, 2005, 05:04 AM // 05:04

Stop discussing flaming, its as useless as flaming itself. You're wasting the poor owner's bandwith.

Get back on track with this:
I want to be able to spend as much time on PvP as I do on PvE and earn the same rewards, such as items, skills, and the like. Right now, I earn less with my time spent in PvP than in PvE. I want it to be equal.

Drakron · Jul 01, 2005, 05:12 AM // 05:12

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Originally Posted by Evan The Cursed

I was more talking about Weezer's request for this thread to contain the view of PvP players only...

Keep in mind I was originaly replying about this "pearl".

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The PvE thread is 4 pages long and full of crackpot ideas which are either unviable, impractical, or belong in a different game.

Also my "pot, kettle, black" reply it was right in the money, there is a significant PvP only fraction that is making <i>"the same exact sorry point" "have been trying to make for months now, and it's just as invalid now as it was then"</i> anyone with a funtional brain cell sould have realized after all this months the PvP unlocking system is not going to be removed (they just removed much of the grind and random), the fact everything was unlocked on the alpha and beta was the same reason why we could run by empty fields to reach the Forge ... you dont see anyone saying to make that area as it was in the Beta do you?

Drakron · Jul 01, 2005, 05:23 AM // 05:23

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Originally Posted by TopGun

Get back on track with this:
I want to be able to spend as much time on PvP as I do on PvE and earn the same rewards, such as items, skills, and the like. Right now, I earn less with my time spent in PvP than in PvE. I want it to be equal.

I want to address this.

In PvE unlocking is a matter of chance, you dont know if that purple armor have in relations to runes as in the new PvP system you do, also its a rune you can use with every single PvP character.

As for skills, it takes days to unlock in PvE ... if you reached far you know that at the end you paying plat for skills and signets, in some cases you can luck out but good luck trying to get elites without spending days either getting a character there or farming money to get the skill with a lv20 character that swicthes secondary class.

True that in some cases it gets faster but when you unlocked about 3-4 classes skills with the same character I bet skill cost end up being over 10 plat (or more), a mix of PvE and PvP will allow the best of two worlds, you get something out of playing PvP as you did not and you can use it to get what you want, not being subject to the random effect of PvE farming.

Weezer_Blue · Jul 01, 2005, 05:51 AM // 05:51

Hey! Look! Assholes hijacked a perfectly non-flaming thread and turned it into every other PvE vs PvP war! Thanks Drakron, amongst others!!

This isn't about whining
This isn't about PvE concerns
This isn't about telling another PvPer that his idea of PvP sucks
This isn't about bickering

If you're not going to use this thread to tell Arena.Net exactly what YOU and only YOU want from PvP, without making yourself look like an asshole, then don't post. If you want to voice your PvE concerns, I made another thread for that. If you consider yourself a bit of both, then post in each thread telling Arena.Net both what you want from PvE, and what you want from PvP. Getting rid of rude jackasses is the only way we will ever resolve this long standing, immature flame fest. If you want to flame, there are several hundred other threads for that.

PS: I don't care what you want to address, it's his oppinion. Get over it.

Dax · Jul 01, 2005, 05:57 AM // 05:57

Whoa I think we need a group hug